NACFest 2016

RCman

Life is big block
Hey Gents.
Probably should start planning dates and maybe someone down south should start looking at campground options.

I know I officially won't be on the BOD in a few weeks but by now we usually have dates up and posted for folks. Also we usually have dates to Bob & Liza this month.

No way we'll be making NACFest but if RocktoberFest remains up here we'll be going.

Later!
 

Rock2pus

NAC VP
NAXJA Member
Re: NACFest & Rocktober-Festivus Two Zero Sixteen

Agreed. I need to chat with you guys expect a phone call soon. I'm going to make an assumption, right or wrong, that you, as friends in closer proximity, have discussed the situation and kicked ideas around about possible succession of your position. I'm open to any ideas that may have come up. Let me know when your best times for contact are, we are all slaves to the clock.Rich
 

RCman

Life is big block
Re: NACFest & Rocktober-Festivus Two Zero Sixteen

Honestly Rich, besides letting them know I was going to be done nothing else was discussed. Nobody has approached me about stepping up. Colin or I will have to post something official this week. Call me anytime. Both my cells are on my 24/7.

Back to the events, any good ideas on campground to stay at? After the last go around with Twin Grove not sure that would be the best choice.
 
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Rock2pus

NAC VP
NAXJA Member
Re: NACFest & Rocktober-Festivus Two Zero Sixteen

I'm awaiting a couple return calls from prospective "options". I will paint a clear picture of what is available and what is not this weekend as pertains to nacfest. We can discuss for a couple days and post a date.
Rich
 

Rock2pus

NAC VP
NAXJA Member
Re: NACFest & Rocktober-Festivus Two Zero Sixteen

Ok, here goes:
Option 1: Remain at Twingrove for what will likely be our last year there. An employee there all but admitted that the perception is that tenting sites are not moneymakers, and that they are now down to 13 of them for this year. Group discounts are no longer offered, although at their rates you can split a site for 4 adults and the overall charge is not too much more than discounted rates in the past. They did however offer us use of the clam bake pavilion at no charge this year. Carol and I put us down for it for saturday June 25th, but we can cancel if plans change.
Option 2: Jonestown KOA. About 10 miles further south on 81 than twingrove, this looks to be a nice campground but has limited cabins (2), and they were noncommital about whether they would have space to accomodate trailers. They could handle larger groups of tents but not in a shaded area. Their current designated tent space numbers about 10. They were open to discounted group rate, and as a bonus have access to Swatara Creek for swiming, fishing, and kayaks. The place reviews well and looks like a good prospect, but until we lay eyes on it in person, which I plan to do in 2 weeks, I'm not inclined to make that change this year. Still, I think this will be our spot in the future.
Option 3: Camp-a-While. Just north of rausch creek, another nice campground with a creek and very clean ( I have stayed there before). Unfortunately, it is at the bottom a very steep hill that is hell on tow rigs coming in and out, and I was ok pulling my trailer to the side, but i was only one trailer, as a group we will likely have more than they will allow. I ended up leaving my jeep and trailer at RC overnight rather than deal with that hill again.

There have also been ideas about taking one of the wheeling days and going to Anthracite OffRoad instead of Rausch. I like the idea of going there, but given that we may have people coming from some distance, they might not be into the idea of paying to renew their RC memberships to just wheel there for one day. That said, I am open to the idea of leaving that as an option this year for people who want to explore an new area.

As to the dinner: all the campgrounds mentioned are ok with bringing in an outside vendor for that, and have some sort of venue to accomodate a group. The one exception may be Camp a While, their pavilion is usually taken. We have approached the now-famous Buddy's Log Cabin about catering our dinner, and I have been advised by others in the know that their pricing is very reasonable compared to what has been paid for past events.

Let the debate begin.....
 

RCman

Life is big block
Re: NACFest & Rocktober-Festivus Two Zero Sixteen

My thoughts?
2 weeks isn't going to make much of a difference at this point. Wait until you check out Jonestown then pick ASAP.
Hell what do I know, my opinion only matters for less than 3 more hours anyway. ;)
 

MoparManiac

New member
Re: NACFest & Rocktober-Festivus Two Zero Sixteen

Agreed with Bill.

Check out the others and report back.

Thanks again for stepping up on this Rich!
 

MrSimon

Moderator
Re: NACFest & Rocktober-Festivus Two Zero Sixteen

My thoughts:

Stay at Twin Grove. It's an excellent campground with very good facilities, plenty of parking, and it's close to Rausch. Plus, people know it and are familiar with it.

I understand that tenting is becoming limited, but I wouldn't give up all the other amenities because of that. More and more people are getting cabins anyway, and they have some that are pretty cheap, especially if you share. They even have yurts.

If people are adamant about tenting or are on a super strict budget, Rausch offers free camping ... and the folks can still come to TG for dinners, raffles, etc.

As for Anthracite, I think taking Thursday or Friday and going up there would be a great idea. But I wouldn't do it on Saturday.
 

RCman

Life is big block
Re: NACFest & Rocktober-Festivus Two Zero Sixteen

Not going post this publicly 'cause it ain't my style to start crap... but I had to post this here.

I wish you guys would make FB events for these things so I could get more locals interested and following
I LOL'd. Really did. So hard. The backstory there is just too good. :shhh:
Seriously though, last year we got a TON of backlash/complaining/crying from folks in the southern area for putting events up on that (admittedly IMO horrible) website. We did it anyway though, with links that drove traffic here. Good luck.


There is a NAC page already with lots of folks that monitor it. I know Colin and Dundy admin it, I am sure Rich could be added with little or no work.

https://www.facebook.com/NAXJANAC/
 
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MrSimon

Moderator
Re: NACFest & Rocktober-Festivus Two Zero Sixteen

Can you get me added as an admin for the Facebook page? Rich isn't a big social media type of guy, so I'll handle it.
 

RCman

Life is big block
Re: NACFest & Rocktober-Festivus Two Zero Sixteen

Check is in the mail.

Jordan & Rich, I didn't see anything here but I am assuming you must have talked back channel about pricing? Seems very cheap. $10 might cover the cost of the meal if you are doing something small or maybe you got a hookup. Don't forget meals tax and a tip. That is less than $8 a plate with 8% meals tax and 18% tip.

$10 for shirts seems inexpensive a well. Again, maybe you have a hookup.

Not sure how you plan on having funds to work with the rest of the year either. We never made much money but we usually got about $5 a head or so to keep us afloat with little things that come up.

Also, no perks for members? There will be tears over that mark my words.

Just food for thought...
 
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MrSimon

Moderator
Re: NACFest & Rocktober-Festivus Two Zero Sixteen

Thanks for sending the check, I'll let you know when it arrives.

Yes, NACFest is cheap this year. We are trying to keep costs as low as possible to entice people to come out. We'd like to get attendance up.

  • T-shirts - Rich has a good friend who owns a screenprinting business. We are getting nice shirts for less than $10 a piece. We'll make a buck or two per shirt.
  • Food - Buddy's Log Cabin will cater for around $17 per head, including tax and tip. We have decided to subsidize $7 per head from NAC funds, around $400. Twin Grove is letting us use the pavilion for free.
  • Dash plaques. We are essentially charging $5 per. They will cost between $100 and $200. We will break even there, and maybe make a few bucks.
  • Raffle - we are working with National to get prizes, as well as reaching out to vendors on our own. We haven't decided how much to charge for tickets, but if we can get lots of good stuff, we could make over $1,000 on the raffle.

We might not make as much money on this event as in the past, but I'd sure like to get some new folks to come out, as well as folks who haven't been out in a while. Hopefully keeping costs low will get people excited.

Colin - you are still the President so please feel free to jump in here if you have any thoughts or ideas. I know we are kind of running with this - that's me - I get exited about stuff and just charge ahead. You can always call with any questions or ideas 484-886-9847.
 

MrSimon

Moderator
Re: NACFest & Rocktober-Festivus Two Zero Sixteen

One more thing, Colin, would you mind starting a thread in the official "Sponsorship Request" forum asking for National to send us swag for the NACFest raffle.

They require the local president to formally request the stuff there, for audit purposes.

Also, if anyone is able to bring in a new vendor to NAXJA, National has agreed to give the entire donation budget from that particular vendor to the NAC. So feel free to reach out to shops you know and see if they are interested.

I'd love to see a HUGE raffle this year at NACFest!
 

RCman

Life is big block
Re: NACFest & Rocktober-Festivus Two Zero Sixteen

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We have decided to subsidize $7 per head from NAC funds, around $400.
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We might not make as much money on this event as in the past
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I typed out a large response but you know what it isn't worth it nor do I want to start anything here I'd rather be civil and try to remain friends. I'm just gonna say:

I'm biting my tongue. Good luck.
 

MoparManiac

New member
Re: NACFest & Rocktober-Festivus Two Zero Sixteen

Jordan, first off, I just want to say thanks for stepping up! I'm glad you came aboard and I think you're perfect for this :thumbup:

LOW COST: I have to say that I do strongly agree with Bill on all of his points. I don't think we should be subsidizing an event unless it's for MEMBERS ONLY. We DO get a budget from National towards "Member Appreciation", or something to that effect. We used it at Rocktoberfest last year for a "Members Only Raffle".

RAFFLE PRIZES: On that note, I think we need to vote on where to have the raffle this year. While we've always had it at NACfest in the past, Rocktoberfest had a MUCH larger turnout each year since we moved it up to F&F (around 80 people in 2015) than NACfest has seen in a few years. I'd be hesitant to move it back down to NACfest unless you guys see a reason to do so that maybe I'm missing. The only reason we haven't made Rocktoberfest the "official" NAC event is because we didn't want all of the political stuff along with running the event.

My final point is please post things in this forum or at least give me a call so I know what's going on. I'm not trying to say "I know best" or anything (far from it), but Bill and I have been around this a few times now for each event. I'm ALL for new ideas, but only when we're not throwing away member dollars (where all of our money comes from) for no real gain. The ONLY reason I stayed on as President is to be able to provide my 2 cents to you guys so PLEASE feel free to bug me at anytime.
 

RCman

Life is big block
Re: NACFest & Rocktober-Festivus Two Zero Sixteen

Yeah, Colin hit one of my mains point I deleted before posting above but now that it is out I'll say it, bluntly. ;)

Pissing away almost all chapter member funds for the benefit of people that are potentially not members to save people a whooping $7 is, well, asinine. If $7 is really holding people from coming out to an event then then should probably be looking at other things anyway. $7 isn't like it is $70. We worked hard to make sure there was always a few hundred in the account to be able to do things like mail a box, or buy a case of water for folks when it was 90 out, stickers that we gave away, or sodas for the dinner, whatever it may be. To have it all blown away for a savings of $7 for not even a members only thing just irks me.

The rest of it (raffle, plaques, etc) doesn't matter much to me; all logistics on what makes sense.

I understand I'm only here on a basis that I was a past chapter president and my say has no real meaning. I'll be much more quiet from now on. I just don't want to see the chapter go down in flames over not having any money or for someone to have to spend their personal funds on keeping things afloat. Outside folks never realize the time, effort and crap this voluntary position takes, nor should they have too. Colin's other point about posting up here is good too. You can go back years and see our discussions on why we did stuff.

Rich, I'll take a shirt in Large if you're willing to take the time to mail it to me. When that order goes through let me know what I'll owe you. :)
 
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RCman

Life is big block
Re: NACFest & Rocktober-Festivus Two Zero Sixteen

I realize my last post was a bit strong I admit that. I was trying to get my point across and I think you can all understand that at times.
To be clear it was not a person attack on anyone; I ain't a politician.

:cheers:
 
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